Bloodsport - The Movie..

[BlackPearl]

Ahh, I thought this would be a nice Topic to make, since I saw a quote from NightWolve's Signature from Bloodsport. Has anyone seen this movie? What is your favorite character? and have you seen all the Bloodsport movies? Which movie is your favorite from them all?

I have seen this movie, and all the way up to part 4, which was the last one. My favorite character is Frank Duxx. I have seen all the Bloodsport movies. My favorite Bloodsport movie is Part 1.

Now it's your turn!

[esteban666]

The only good Bloodsport is the first one. One of favorite movies when I was younger (my brothers and I watched it a zillion times), though I haven't seen it in ages.

I've seen all the movies, but my favorite line is still:
"I'll show you a trick or two, American @sshole!"



EDIT: The only reference I could find on the web lists the line as
“Now I show you some trick or two, American @sshole!”
-- Hussein from "Bloodsport"

So I guess my memory is suspect. Oh well, at least I was close.

[NightWolve]

The only good Bloodsport is the first one. One of favorite movies when I was younger (my brothers and I watched it a zillion times), though I haven't seen it in ages.

Yeah, me too. I bought the DVD and was watching bits of it the other day. I've been buying a bunch of Jean Claude Van Damme movies myself from amazon.com, recently. Still waiting for three to arrive in the mail: Universal Soldier [Special Edition], Universal Soldier: The Return, and a double feature DVD of Legionairre plus The Replicant. Knock Off and Desert Heat already arrived and it turned out I had already seen Desert Heat from somewhere, maybe on HBO. Not one of JCVD's shining moments, but that was just about when he was destined for direct-to-video greatness.

Anyway, the Bloodsport sequels were complete crap obviously. They went in the same direction as the Kickboxer sequels with Sasha Mitchel. Worse and worse AND worse. I don't even think having had Van Damme in them would've helped much. I saw the 2nd and pretty sure the third as well. I didn't even know they made a 4th until recently, but I've no interest. Ooooh, scary subtitle, "The Dark Kumite..." Pffft.

EDIT: The only reference I could find on the web lists the line as
“Now I show you some trick or two, American @sshole!”
-- Hussein from "Bloodsport"

So I guess my memory is suspect. Oh well, at least I was close.

Almost. It's just, "Now I show you some trick or two." The American @sshole bit was used when JCVD (alongside Ogre) first meets up with them at the bar (Hussein and his two dumb buds), where he prevents Hussein from forcing the blonde chick reporter into having to give him a "special" interview upstairs. One of them says, "He's the American @sshole who makes shits with bricks..."

But man, that is wild. I never would've guessed you were a fan. Here's a more relevant question I've pondered: Can JCVD make a comeback or is he forever doomed with direct-to-video releases, alongside the likes of Steven Seagal, etc.? I feel bad for the guy. I hate to see his career die a slow death, drip by drip with some of these mediocre recent titles like "Second in Command." A new one just came out called "The Hard Corps" which happens to include Vivica A. Fox and it's apparently more of the same. I'll probably buy it when the price comes down to help support the guy. Well, he can say at least for a short time he made it big in Hollywood. Timecop was his most mainstream success. I should also mention, though, I did sorta like his Wake of Death movie from 2004. It showed _some_ promise, but, you know, at the end of the day, it still fell short of delivering the JCVD of the early 90s I remember.

EDIT: Here's a nice comment on the 4th Bloodsport.

In that this sequel is easily the worst of the series but the silver lining being that it is the last one in this uninspired franchise. One may recall that the original starred Jean-Claude Van Damme as a major who flew to Hong Kong to compete in an outlawed tournament, this time the tournament angle is fairly undeveloped as the Jean-Claude Van Damme movie this most resembles is Death Warrant, except much, much worse. The production values of this Z-grade stinker is worse than you could imagine, for one there is absolutely no reason that a production should look this bad. The prison sequences look extremely cheap and it becomes quite obvious that this is being shot in some abandoned warehouse or storage area. Another aspect is that of the really bad fight sequences, these are so poorly staged and slow that one wonders if it even deserves to be compared to it's lame predecessor (# 3) let alone Bloodsport # 1 and # 2. Bloodsport IV is the worst of the series and without doubt due to it's sheer badness factor. Movies seriously don't get as poorly made or dull as this stinker. There is nothing at all to redeem anything to even earn a full star. This is the pits.

Heh, I didn't make the connection. Upon reading the plot, it partly appears to be a rip off of Death Warrant. Figures.

[JoeQuaker]

Eh... I find Jean Claude a bit gay, maybe it's those stretches, but I don't think his fakeness element compares to Steven Seagal. That MadTV skit where the fat dude is Seagal, breaking everyones necks is hillarious!

[NightWolve]

Eh... I find Jean Claude a bit gay, maybe it's those stretches, but I don't think his fakeness element compares to Steven Seagal.

Did you know Jean was apparently caught up with a cocaine addiction in the late 90s? I was surprised by that. I only learned of it just a few days ago. Kind of neat with the Internet to be able to go back and read about movie stars I grew up with in the late 80s/early 90s. The only access you had to them was from their films back then.

That MadTV skit where the fat dude is Seagal, breaking everyones necks is hillarious!

Ah yes, MadTV. You reminded me of the Seagal stuff! I caught a few of those skits way back when I might occasionally watch that show. Yeah, that was great! The fat dude btw did a few of those Seagal impressions. Every one of them every bit as awesome. Just his face, appearing all conspitated was enough to generate laughter.

[BlackPearl]

Haha. Thanks for commenting everyone. The main actor in Bloodsport 2, 3, and 4 is Daniel Bernhart (I hope I spelt that right). Not Jaudde Claudde Vann Damne (I hope I spelt that right), which is a real bummer. Parts 2, 3, and 4 had horrible animation and what not and was nothing compared to Bloodsport 4. Does anyone know who Daniel Bernhart?

[esteban666]

The only good Bloodsport is the first one. One of favorite movies when I was younger (my brothers and I watched it a zillion times), though I haven't seen it in ages.

Yeah, me too. I bought the DVD and was watching bits of it the other day. I've been buying a bunch of Jean Claude Van Damme movies myself from amazon.com, recently. Still waiting for three to arrive in the mail: Universal Soldier [Special Edition], Universal Soldier: The Return, and a double feature DVD of Legionairre plus The Replicant. Knock Off and Desert Heat already arrived and it turned out I had already seen Desert Heat from somewhere, maybe on HBO. Not one of JCVD's shining moments, but that was just about when he was destined for direct-to-video greatness.

Anyway, the Bloodsport sequels were complete crap obviously. They went in the same direction as the Kickboxer sequels with Sasha Mitchel. Worse and worse AND worse. I don't even think having had Van Damme in them would've helped much. I saw the 2nd and pretty sure the third as well. I didn't even know they made a 4th until recently, but I've no interest. Ooooh, scary subtitle, "The Dark Kumite..." Pffft.

Having Van Damme in the  sequels wouldn't have made them significantly better, but at least Van Damme would have been in them. Surely, there would have been some novelty in that, if only to say, "Damn you, Jean-Claude, for making this movie!"

Bloodsport was such an awesome movie that I have remained a fan of his, despite the path his career took. I have found that I am much more forgiving of his films when I don't use Bloodsport as a reference point (measuring stick). If you go into a movie with low expectations, you're less likely to be disappointed

But man, that is wild. I never would've guessed you were a fan. Here's a more relevant question I've pondered: Can JCVD make a comeback or is he forever doomed with direct-to-video releases, alongside the likes of Steven Seagal, etc.? I feel bad for the guy. I hate to see his career die a slow death, drip by drip with some of these mediocre recent titles like "Second in Command." A new one just came out called "The Hard Corps" which happens to include Vivica A. Fox and it's apparently more of the same. I'll probably buy it when the price comes down to help support the guy. Well, he can say at least for a short time he made it big in Hollywood. Timecop was his most mainstream success. I should also mention, though, I did sorta like his Wake of Death movie from 2004. It showed _some_ promise, but, you know, at the end of the day, it still fell short of delivering the JCVD of the early 90s I remember.

JCVD rules! I think that JCVD could have another huge "hit", but it would be the result of pure luck (i.e. a matter of being in the "right place at the right time" and not the quality of the actual film).

You see, I firmly believe that even if JCVD made some really, really good movies, they wouldn't necessarily translate into commercial Hollywood success. So, we, as fans, would be happy... and maybe a VD would gain a bit more respect... but that's about it.

I actually like Steven Seagal as well, and I think I enjoy his oeuvre slightly more than Van Damme's (though it's hard to compare them -- it's just that Seagal's worst films are slightly more bearable than VD's worst films), but I agree that they both have suffered a similar fate. Did Seagal have more commerical success in the U.S., perhaps? I don't really know, but that has always been my impression.

Truth be told, neither Segal nor Van Damme have stooped as low as Dolph Lundgren has (I recently watched some ridiculous movie called "Bridge of Dragons", or something like that, and I felt that it had to be the lowest point of Mr. Lundgren's career). I should mention that I like Dolph Lundgren and it was painful to see him in a movie like this. At least the movie was entertaining, though

[NightWolve]

Ah, I forgot about Dolph Lundgren. Yeah, he was cool back in the day, but his descent was all the more swift I think. All the DVDs I mentioned above arrived btw. Him and Van Damme did some audio commentary for the Universal Soldier [SE] DVD, so I'll check it out when I have a chance to watch it. (An aside, I was disappointed in finding the Universal Solder: The Return disc turned out to be fullscreen. I hate that... Happens to me all the time. I was thinking I bought the widescreen version and I get stuck with fullscreen.)

Anyway. Seagal definitely had much more mainstream success. He is the better actor. I dunno why he's back into direct-to-video hell again after a respectable release like Exit Wounds ($52 mil US/$28 mil foreign= $80 mil worldwide), though. Overweight again? And I guess considering the $50 mil production budget, it was a flop??

Surely, there would have been some novelty in that, if only to say, "Damn you, Jean-Claude, for making this movie!"

Hehe. Right you are.

[JoeQuaker]

Did not know he ended up in a coke addiction! I did learn though that the Red Ranger from Power Rangers went on to do gay pr0n... poor guy heh.

[NightWolve]

I did learn though that the Red Ranger from Power Rangers went on to do gay pr0n... poor guy heh.

Eheh. Should anyone have been surprised?

[esteban666]

Ah, I forgot about Dolph Lundgren. Yeah, he was cool back in the day, but his descent was all the more swift I think. All the DVDs I mentioned above arrived btw. Him and Van Damme did some audio commentary for the Universal Soldier [SE] DVD, so I'll check it out when I have a chance to watch it. (An aside, I was disappointed in finding the Universal Solder: The Return disc turned out to be fullscreen. I hate that... Happens to me all the time. I was thinking I bought the widescreen version and I get stuck with fullscreen.)

Anyway. Seagal definitely had much more mainstream success. He is the better actor. I dunno why he's back into direct-to-video hell again after a respectable release like Exit Wounds ($52 mil US/$28 mil foreign= $80 mil worldwide), though. Overweight again? And I guess considering the $50 mil production budget, it was a flop??

I hate it when I can't find the WS version of a movie. I usually end up buying the lame "fullscreen" version, though, if I want to see a particular movie really bad. Of course, a year later, the WS version of said movie is released. DAMMIT, the studios really know how to get my money.

I reckon that everyone here already has a WS televsion (probably HD), but I still have a 20" cathode ray. However, the good news is that my wife wants one of those fancy "new" WS televsions and I'm stoked! Finally I'll be able to watch my DVD's on a nice big screen (Previously, I've been using my laptop since it has the nicest picture).

I just might have to hold a Bronson/JCVD/Stallone/Seagal marathon to christen the new TV. Of course, we won't get a TV for at least a month or two... but I'm already thinking about it

Back on topic: $30 million profit is nothing to sneeze at, but sometimes studios aren't satisfied, I guess.  Perhaps they fear that Seagal won't draw-in enough consumers unless they team him up with a trendy co-star (take your pick, male or female). You see, if you team up Seagal with, say, Penelope Cruz, you'll be able to appeal to a much larger demographic (I'm being sarcastic but I think marketing departments really think this way).

MOVIE PICK OF THE WEEK: I just watched Ong Bak at my brothers' behest, and I must say that I found it thoroughly entertaining.  I think you would dig it, NW, because it has a classic action film formula that will certainly appeal to fans of Bloodsport and / or JCVD. Believe me, I was skeptical about this film (I wouldn't have watched it), but I'm glad my brothers convinced me to give it a chance.

MOVIE PICK OF THE CENTURY: If you want to see one of my all-time favorite films, check out "Runaway Train". I consider it one of the masterpieces of 80's B-film dramas (it's an action flick / drama) ... but it rarely, if ever, gets much appreciation. At least, I have never met anyone who is as obsessed with the film as I am. Watch it at night with the lights off.

[NightWolve]

MOVIE PICK OF THE WEEK: I just watched Ong Bak at my brothers' behest, and I must say that I found it thoroughly entertaining.  I think you would dig it, NW, because it has a classic action film formula that will certainly appeal to fans of Bloodsport and / or JCVD. Believe me, I was skeptical about this film (I wouldn't have watched it), but I'm glad my brothers convinced me to give it a chance.

Yeah, it's pretty badass, I bought the DVD actually! If you wanna support the guy, go check out 'The Protector' at theatres right now. It's the same guy [Tony Jaa].

wayback://apple.com/trailers/theprotector/

[esteban666]

MOVIE PICK OF THE WEEK: I just watched Ong Bak at my brothers' behest, and I must say that I found it thoroughly entertaining.  I think you would dig it, NW, because it has a classic action film formula that will certainly appeal to fans of Bloodsport and / or JCVD. Believe me, I was skeptical about this film (I wouldn't have watched it), but I'm glad my brothers convinced me to give it a chance.

Yeah, it's pretty badass, I bought the DVD actually! If you wanna support the guy, go check out 'The Protector' at theatres right now. It's the same guy [Tony Jaa].

wayback://apple.com/trailers/theprotector/

Awesome, it's been a long time since I went to the movies.

[NightWolve]

Well, I saw "Universal Soldier: The Return" and am now refreshed as to why this movie bombed so bad. First of all, JCVD was at the right place and time to have gotten the first movie made with top guys in the industry. "Universal Soldier" was made back when Carolco was at the top of its game. Mario Kassar was the executive producer and Roland Emmerich was the director, the guy who went on to do Stargate, Indepedence Day, etc. right after, to name a few. This combination is never going to happen again for our poor old JCVD.

(Everyone who loves action movies knows Carolco. Whenever I would see their logo at the start of a movie as a kid, just a simple animation of a 'C' being drawn along with accompanying music, I knew I was in for a good badass action movie. They were responsible for hits like Rambo, Total Recall, Terminator 2, DeepStar Six, Cliffhanger, etc.)

That being said, "Universal Soldier: The Return" is a grade-A stinker, I hate to say it... Early in the movie you'll realize it's a blantant rip-off of Terminator. The basic quick rundown of the plot is this: The Unisol program has advanced greatly from what we saw in the first movie. You now have an Artificial Intelligence unit named SETH that was created to perfectly control the new and improved universal soldiers. Great, but something's gotta go terribly wrong again like last time with JCVD and Lundgren waking up, right? So it does! A general, or whatever he was, from the Pentagon pays a visit to the facility where this is all taking place. He informs JCVD and the main guy that runs the place that cold war era spending is over, and that the top brass of the Pentagon all of a sudden want everything shutdown... SETH, the AI unit, overhears this conversation (it's understood that it's wired into the facility and can control many aspects of it). Well, gee, what do you think happens next? SETH's survival instinct naturally kicks in and decides that it/he is the future. Regular humans are obselete and anyone that gets in the way must be... terminated, then resurrected under SETH's control as a zombie universal soldier to aid in the further conquest of mankind (assuming he gets that far, which he doesn't)!

Does this plot ring a bell? Sounds awfully familiar to what another AI unit tried to do in response to humans later deciding it should be shut down... SkyNet anyone?

OK, well, aside from that rip-off, there's one scene where JCVD has a flashback and what do they use? Original footage from the first movie... As soon as I saw footage from where Dolph Lundgren and JCVD first kill each other, I immediately felt some concern. You used a few seconds of filler material in a new movie from the old one?? I mean, I understood they wanted to make a point with the flashback, but still. I kinda guessed things would go downhill after that... Big surprise! I was right...

Anyway, I won't spoil the rest of it because some of you may actually want to see this piece of shit movie for yourselves! It does have one redeeming quality with a lengthy badass fight sequence between JCVD and Michael Jai White at the end, so that's worth watching a few times. See if you can catch a blooper as they're fighting near the operating table which was quite ridiculous given the 40 million dollar budget.

JCVD blew it big time with this movie and it has so far been his last theatrical release. He's been ALL straight-to-video ever since this bomb came out in 1999, which itself should've been a straight-to-video release. Well, I guess it has that novelty to it. If you wanna see the last movie he made that enjoyed wide theatrical release, here you go! Oh, yes, let's not forget, this was the movie that launched Bill Goldberg's (the wrestler) acting career, too! If you wanna call what he does acting, that is... Heh.

Oh yeah, another thing I wanted to mention about the plot: You realize how lame the whole setup is with the government wanting to shut down the Unisol project just like that, given that what they actually possess comes close to being the secrets of immortality. JCVD is Jesus. He died in Vietnam and was later resurrected. So you know how to resurrect the dead, and all you're gonna do with that knowledge is create some bulletproof soldiers, then cancel the whole thing?? WTF? That makes the typical suspension of disbelief that one must exercise to enjoy your average movie difficult. In their world, in their setting, they know how to resurrect the dead, but *gasp*, they're just gonna pull the plug like it's no big deal due to budget cuts and/or the Pentagon brass is still a bit too attached to the traditional soldier, doesn't like this zombie idea anymore... Lame. Course, I'm probably reading too much into things. It's their lousy setup early in the movie that leaves you wondering.

[esteban666]

Well, I saw "Universal Soldier: The Return" and am now refreshed as to why this movie bombed so bad. First of all, JCVD was at the right place and time to have gotten the first movie made with top guys in the industry. "Universal Soldier" was made back when Carolco was at the top of its game. Mario Kassar was the executive producer and Roland Emmerich was the director, the guy who went on to do Stargate, Indepedence Day, etc. right after, to name a few. This combination is never going to happen again for our poor old JCVD.

(Everyone who loves action movies knows Carolco. Whenever I would see their logo at the start of a movie as a kid, just a simple animation of a 'C' being drawn along with accompanying music, I knew I was in for a good badass action movie. They were responsible for hits like Rambo, Total Recall, Terminator 2, DeepStar Six, Cliffhanger, etc.)

Oh yeah, tons of great films by Carolco... another fave is Golan-Globus (Cannon): tons of super films. And, even I was surpirsed to discover (a minute ago) that there was at least one JCVD <-> Golan-Globus connection (besides Bloodsport):

One of the final movies produced by both Golan and Globus to get a wide release under the Cannon banner was the Jean-Claude Van Damme post-apocalyptic actioner Cyborg. Originally intended as the sequel to Masters of the Universe (and often incorrectly named Masters of the Universe II in TV-listings) the movie went in to production after the toy-line had run its course. The script was reshaped and Jean-Claude Van Damme was cast in the lead. Two sequels were later made, both have proven equally unpopular.

I never knew that! I don't know how reliable this information is, but I would have never guessed that MotU and Cyborg had any relationship to each other. Of course, Golan-Globus are responsible for Runaway Train, The Last American Virgin, Lambada, Death Wish, Breakin', etc. etc.

Anyway, I won't spoil the rest of it because some of you may actually want to see this piece of shit movie for yourselves! It does have one redeeming quality with a lengthy badass fight sequence between JCVD and Michael Jai White at the end, so that's worth watching a few times. See if you can catch a blooper as they're fighting near the operating table which was quite ridiculous given the 40 million dollar budget.

JCVD blew it big time with this movie and it has so far been his last theatrical release. He's been ALL straight-to-video ever since this bomb came out in 1999, which itself should've been a straight-to-video release. Well, I guess it has that novelty to it. If you wanna see the last movie he made that enjoyed wide theatrical release, here you go! Oh, yes, let's not forget, this was the movie that launched Bill Goldberg's (the wrestler) acting career, too! If you wanna call what he does acting, that is... Heh.

Oh yeah, another thing I wanted to mention about the plot. You realize how lame the whole setup is with the government wanting to shut down the Unisol project just like that, given that what they actually possess comes close to being the secrets of immortality. JCVD is Jesus. He died in Vietnam and was later resurrected. So you know how to resurrect the dead, and all you're gonna do with that knowledge is create some bulletproof soldiers, then cancel the whole thing?? WTF? That makes the typical suspension of disbelief that one must exercise to enjoy your average movie difficult. In their world, in their setting, they know how to resurrect the dead, but *gasp*, they're just gonna pull the plug like it's no big deal due to budget cuts and/or the Pentagon brass is still a bit too attached to the traditional soldier, doesn't like this zombie idea anymore... Lame. Course, I'm probably reading too much into things. It's their lousy setup early in the movie that leaves you wondering.

I haven't seen this movie yet, but I definitely will see it one of these days. It's a shame when a movie takes a promising premise and fails to examine the subject matter in an interesting way, opting for a generic formula instead. For example, 99.99% of zombie films are brainless (no pun intended), but then along comes a film like "The Return of the Living Dead" that does some creative stuff (I loved how the "sliced half-a-canine" was re-animated... what a brilliantly macabre concept). Day of the Dead (considered the low-point of the trilogy) also had a great concept (sympathy for the zombies who were being experimented upon --> which leads to a de-demonization of the zombie).

If I ever make the no-budget zombie film I have in my head, I want to explore the way certain things (i.e. monsters / aliens / zombies ) have been demonized ... then turn the tables to show the "villains" as the "victims" (i.e. the humans as the "source of evil"). There have been lots of films that have done this.   Basically, I want to adapt Frankenstein to the zombie genre.

"Humanize the monster, demonize the human..." Not the most original idea, but it could be fun

If you ever get a chance, check out: "(Dark?) Night of the Scarecrow" ... it's perfect for the Halloween season and is my favorite "made-for-tv" films. I actually didn't know it was made for tv (it's that good)! The story draws *some* (albeit weak) parallels to the Frankenstein forumula.

Sorry, none of this has anything to do with JCVD (except the "zombie soldier" conceit).

I think I actually enjoyed Universal Soldier a bit, but it didn't leave too much of an impression on me (since I can't remember anything from it, though I haven't seen it since it was first released on video). Cyborg, on the other hand, has permanently scarred my soul... and yet I continue to re-watch the movie every few years. Ouch.

[NightWolve]

Yeah, I like Cyborg too. I can watch that every now and then. I seem to like movies with a post apocalyptic wild west type of setting where anything goes and so there's a lot to explore as far as the possibilities. "Universal Soldier: The Return" unfortunately doesn't have much of a, "Hey, I might wanna watch this again someday" feel to it. Pitch Black is a recent favorite of mine on the other hand that has good replay value. That was Vin Diesel's best. I saw it numerous times and even once with DVD commmentary enabled which I don't do too much.

[sideshow]

OK USA!

My favorite cheese ball line of the movie.  Cyborg and Kickboxer are my other JCVD favorites. 

On another note, there is a breakdancing movie from 1984 called "breakin" that has JCVD dancing in the background.  You guys have to see this hilarious shit.  This was of course way before he broke into the action film star he became.  I'm also looking at IDBM and it says his first film movie he was a gay karate instructor!

[Waverider]

I can’t believe that no one has mentioned Jean Claude’s cheesiest film. The not so major motion picture “No Retreat, No Surrender”.

[NightWolve]

I saw it and found it enjoyable. Low budget, but it was alright.

[esteban666]

Yeah, I like Cyborg too. I can watch that every now and then. I seem to like movies with a post apocalyptic wild west type of setting where anything goes and so there's a lot to explore as far as the possibilities. "Universal Soldier: The Return" unfortunately doesn't have much of a, "Hey, I might wanna watch this again someday" feel to it. Pitch Black is a recent favorite of mine on the other hand that has good replay value. That was Vin Diesel's best. I saw it numerous times and even once with DVD commmentary enabled which I don't do too much.

Pitch Black was great! I can't believe Vin Diesel has not done anything nearly as interesting. I've actually seen "The Pacifier" and it was really, really dull. The trailers actually make the movie look a lot better than the actual film, if you can believe that. The next time we need to rent a "family-friendly" film, I'm going to choose Bob the Builder (or something else from PBS). No joke.

The only good thing about "The Pacifier" was that it reminded my brothers and I of Hulk Hogan's "Suburban Commando" that we saw in the theatre when we were young lads. It also reminded us of another film, with a very similar plot, the title of which escapes me at the moment...

[esteban666]

OK USA!

My favorite cheese ball line of the movie.  Cyborg and Kickboxer are my other JCVD favorites. 

On another note, there is a breakdancing movie from 1984 called "breakin" that has JCVD dancing in the background.  You guys have to see this hilarious shit.  This was of course way before he broke into the action film star he became.  I'm also looking at IDBM and it says his first film movie he was a gay karate instructor!

Breakin' and Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo are totally entertaining . I have thesoundtrack for one of them (I forget which one) and ICE T has a track of his own... it's quite amusing and not nearly as "hard" as his later stuff. It probably is one of ICE T's most treasured moments.

[sideshow]

I've only seen bits and pieces of breakin.  I'll have to watch the full movie.  Thanks